Combat Guide (Overview, PVE, PVP)

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I've read reports that people are trying to "deny" gankers of loot by pre-emptively dropping their stuff into the water.

Unless you have really valuable stuff like top quality toolss/weapons, Merchant's Robe or Traveller's Sacks, gankers are likely to just toss them into water themselves.

What you absolutely should NOT do is unequip your armor (especially Shield if you're using Shield Up as maneuver), that's the one thing very likely preventing you getting killed, even with Murderous Rage b12 Cleave.
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is MC damage using weapon damage * sqrt(STR/10)?
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Greetings.
Thanks for the good instructions.
I write through an automatic translator.
How is the weapon damage calculated when there are gaps in the enemy? Do you know the formula?
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cderfv wrote:Greetings.
Thanks for the good instructions.
I write through an automatic translator.
How is the weapon damage calculated when there are gaps in the enemy? Do you know the formula?
The tooltip of the weapon takes its quality ***AND*** your strength on account.
Strength and quality uses the hafen-patented geometric average we all know and love, which goes like √(STR*quality)/10.
In this case, if your strength is equal to the weapon quality, the tooltip shows the correct damage number.
Example:
Your strength is 40;
Your Bronze sword is q40;
Tooltip shows the damage for a q40 sword = 180 dmg, not taking in account of STR.
Since STR is the same as the weapon ql, weapon dmg is actually 180.

example 2:
Your strength is 202.
Your bronze sword is q40.
Tooltip still shows 180 dmg.
But your "effective" weapon quality would be √202*40 = 90
While holding a q40 sword with 202 strength, you would do a max 90 * √(90/10) = 90 * 3 = 270 dmg


Now with openings, there are attacks with 1 color and attacks with 2 colors.

attacks with 1 color is "simple"
the damage of your attack will use the opening value BEFORE raising it (so attacking a 0 opening target will always do 0 dmg)
and that damage will always be multiplied by the square of the opening. (50% opening = 0.5 * 0.5 = 25% dmg)

now when its 2 colors (or more) it goes like this:
damage will use the "effective" opening value from a weird math between 2 colors.
which would be the % value of the first, added by the % value of the second color on whats left of the value of the first.

Yes, i also didnt understand what i wrote.
But heres an example anyways:

Your target has 60% red and 50% yellow

Your attack "Full Circle" uses both red and yellow
so the effective opening value would be:
0.6 + (1-0.6) * 0.5 = 0.8 = 80%

or if you have autism like me its:
60% + whats left of 60% (which is 40%) multiplied by 50%, which is also 80%, go figure.
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Could they possibly have devised a more convoluted and non-intuitive system than this. I just hack-and-slash with my strongest weapon and hope for the best.
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animary wrote:Could they possibly have devised a more convoluted and non-intuitive system than this. I just hack-and-slash with my strongest weapon and hope for the best.
Historically it's actually been worse :D

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My brain hurts trying to understand this combat system. I keep getting my ass handed to me by animals. RIP. But thank you for this post.
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akadwinn wrote:My brain hurts trying to understand this combat system. I keep getting my ass handed to me by animals. RIP. But thank you for this post.
Fight bats right next to a Cave Passage, simply go outside if it doesn't work out.

You can also go cheese and repeatedly go outside to restore openings -> punch the bat few times -> repeat. Successfully executing this out should be an useful step towards figuring out more "proper" combat.
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or fight from a boat and use pro client like hurricane using certain combat distancing tool to safely whale on animals like a boss. day one bears doable (if forcing it a bit).

but bats are in fact one of easiest animals to legit kill as first ones to gain proper moves. after that get some armor and do boat thingy. first fights aren't about gaining high quality food/skins/bones, more about filling your combat deck with good moves and restorations. use wiki to learn which animals give which moves.
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what does combat stats do actually? i see no difference between 50 and 150 uc

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