Yeah, okay any soultion? Screaming at discord "MODS MODS SOMEONE GRIEF ME BY DROPING LOGS IN FROM OF MY GATES ALL DAY!!!" will not work, coz devs politic is "minimal contancts with commiunity" - they will not and do not wish become your mom, you know.MarcusXDead wrote:...
Every problem that is currently "solved via pvp by design", like bot griefing, contesting something and ect. is much more easily solved then trying to make PvP ballanced and enjoyable.
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ZamAlex
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IsThisRad
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I feel like an asshole because I don't want to possibly be making fun of some fourteen year old dude just putting himself out there online, but there's so little thought in the post you're responding to. I feel like these guys either don't understand or just don't care what makes this game fun. They would play Vintage Story or some similar survival game and be on their knees begging the devs of those games to just turn it into Minecraft. Why live this way? Is there anything to be done? Save meZamAlex wrote:Yeah, okay any soultion? Screaming at discord "MODS MODS SOMEONE GRIEF ME BY DROPING LOGS IN FROM OF MY GATES ALL DAY!!!" will not work, coz devs politic is "minimal contancts with commiunity" - they will not and do not wish become your mom, you know.MarcusXDead wrote:...
Every problem that is currently "solved via pvp by design", like bot griefing, contesting something and ect. is much more easily solved then trying to make PvP ballanced and enjoyable.
A cool technique to address an unfortunate pattern I've noticed: just don't read a post if the guy doesn't have a pfp lol
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ZamAlex
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It's actually real smart tech, thank you, haha.IsThisRad wrote: A cool technique to address an unfortunate pattern I've noticed: just don't read a post if the guy doesn't have a pfp lol
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MarcusXDead
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Please remind me, how exactly this problem is solved currently, if the one placing the logs is, let's say, protected by a group of overstat sweatlords?ZamAlex wrote:Yeah, okay any soultion? Screaming at discord "MODS MODS SOMEONE GRIEF ME BY DROPING LOGS IN FROM OF MY GATES ALL DAY!!!" will not work, coz devs politic is "minimal contancts with commiunity" - they will not and do not wish become your mom, you know.
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Halbertz
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Well, let's imagine the options.MarcusXDead wrote:Please remind me, how exactly this problem is solved currently, if the one placing the logs is, let's say, protected by a group of overstat sweatlords?ZamAlex wrote:Yeah, okay any soultion? Screaming at discord "MODS MODS SOMEONE GRIEF ME BY DROPING LOGS IN FROM OF MY GATES ALL DAY!!!" will not work, coz devs politic is "minimal contancts with commiunity" - they will not and do not wish become your mom, you know.
If it's a naked alt, you knock him out twice in a row and he dies. Ideally, you should go and break his hearthfire, but if not, he can only make an heir every four hours.
If it's someone like Snail on his character, you either wait for him to switch to someone else (he only has one main character, so he needs to play the game yk), or you and a couple of your neighbors put on bronze armor and run to sting him. He'll likely run around until reinforcements arrive (no one will stand with him for hours waiting for you), but if you've done your homework, it's not hard to deal damage. For example, go with another character and lead the walruses into his snekk. If you manage to undress him once, he won't come back.
Just in case the last part isn't fiction, it happened in the world 14 (or 15 idr).
But with pve disabled you won't have any options but cry to mods and clean up after naked alts.
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MarcusXDead
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... Or just move logs away inside the claim, that works too. Takes less effort as well.Halbertz wrote: But with pve disabled you won't have any options but cry to mods and clean up after naked alts.
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benisalt1
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pvp is inherently a high cortisol event for majority of players, no amount of band-aids will fix that
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vatas
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"Maybe we should organize events where we teach people how to swim."benisalt1 wrote:pvp is inherently a high cortisol event for majority of players, no amount of band-aids will fix that
"ANY TIME YOU GO INTO THE WATER, THERE'S A SMALL CHANCE THAT YOU WILL DROWN!"
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Basic Claim Safety (And what you’re doing wrong
TL:;DR: Build a Palisade with only Visitor gates.)
Combat Guide (Overview, PVE, PVP) (Includes how to escape/minimize risk of getting killed.)
Basic Claim Safety (And what you’re doing wrong
TL:;DR: Build a Palisade with only Visitor gates.)
Combat Guide (Overview, PVE, PVP) (Includes how to escape/minimize risk of getting killed.)
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magnet
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Re: 99% of PVP/permadeath woes are an onboarding issue
use the gold sub money to hire someone to get loftar's ass in gear and make valhalla actually useful with bots you can train on
think about if, even Dwarf Fortress needed to hire Putnam to keep Tarn's autism in check
think about if, even Dwarf Fortress needed to hire Putnam to keep Tarn's autism in check
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SnuggleSnail
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magnet wrote:make valhalla actually useful with bots you can train on

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