Hide your bots, hide your wives

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rfxDarth
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Re: Hide your bots, hide your wives

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azrid wrote:
rfxDarth wrote:
1.Is botting still okay?

2.Is running multiple game instances okay?

3.Is multiboxing okay?

4.Is abusing underdeveloped game mechanics okay?

5.Is bug using okay?
1.Yes
2.Yes
3.Yes
4.No
5.No

very easy to answer questions
Well the track record so far is:

1. Kind of, maybe
2. Yes
3. No
4. Yes, and heavily encouraged
5. Sometimes
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guterpop
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Re: Hide your bots, hide your wives

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rfxDarth wrote:
azrid wrote:
rfxDarth wrote:
1.Is botting still okay?

2.Is running multiple game instances okay?

3.Is multiboxing okay?

4.Is abusing underdeveloped game mechanics okay?

5.Is bug using okay?
1.Yes
2.Yes
3.Yes
4.No
5.No

very easy to answer questions
Well the track record so far is:

1. Kind of, maybe
2. Yes
3. No
4. Yes, and heavily encouraged
5. Sometimes
The most true statement I've seen, the amount of mechanical abuse is pretty funny in this game and it never goes touched.
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Re: Hide your bots, hide your wives

Post by Kamekono »

JoL stance on bots is pretty clear from the FAQ: they consider it a problem -a game problem more than a person problem, but still a problem.
They don't actively fight it most of the time because they think the effort doesn't match the results. It's literally in the FAQ.
So going after every single bot is wasted time. But if you find a guy running 20 bots at once, then it's an easy ban.

It's like littering. Actively going after everyone that does it is a waste of time. You need to reduce the need for it -like by placing more trashcans or reducing packaging. But if you see a guy dumping a truckload, you still go after him cause that's an easy win.

The "Why me and not them" argument does not put you in a better light. It just advocates for more bans, not for your unban.
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azrid
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Re: Hide your bots, hide your wives

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guterpop wrote: the amount of mechanical abuse is pretty funny in this game and it never goes touched.
Whats funny is that people underestimate how much time and effort good moderation takes.
On top of that theres a neverending stream of good ideas and bad ideas. To be able to understand which is which they would need to spend even more time just playing the game.
As a fellow family man I understand its simply not possible.
To do all the important things they would need to give away authority over the project. You can't force a small team to surrender their weekend project.

Its time to accept the fact that players take this game more seriously than devs.
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azrid wrote:Its time to accept the fact that players take this game more seriously than devs.
Always has been
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Re: Hide your bots, hide your wives

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So, Jorb, you did nothing while:

-Boots were used to spam insults during the siege of WB by Snail and his followers.
-Boots were used to aggro and kill players who jumped to Charterstone after hijacking the name of the Market Charterstone.
-Boots were used to assemble and disassemble wrecking balls just to generate noise during the siege of WB by Snail and his followers.
-Boots were used to hunt people from Snekia, with multiple accounts attacking at once and instantly killing other players.
-Boots were used to destroy entire sectors during the siege of WB, constantly destroying the palisade built by Snail and his followers.

So I want to know the reason. Jorb, why did you act now and not before?

As someone who has been constantly dealing with bots, I want to understand. Tell me what crimes those bots committed that finally led to action, and then explain why you ignored all of this behavior from Snail and his followers in the past.

Or did you simply choose to support toxic botting when it benefited them?
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Re: Hide your bots, hide your wives

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DorenirI wrote:So, Jorb, you did nothing while:

-Boots were used to spam insults during the siege of WB by Snail and his followers.
-Boots were used to aggro and kill players who jumped to Charterstone after hijacking the name of the Market Charterstone.
-Boots were used to assemble and disassemble wrecking balls just to generate noise during the siege of WB by Snail and his followers.
-Boots were used to hunt people from Snekia, with multiple accounts attacking at once and instantly killing other players.
-Boots were used to destroy entire sectors during the siege of WB, constantly destroying the palisade built by Snail and his followers.

So I want to know the reason. Jorb, why did you act now and not before?

As someone who has been constantly dealing with bots, I want to understand. Tell me what crimes those bots committed that finally led to action, and then explain why you ignored all of this behavior from Snail and his followers in the past.

Or did you simply choose to support toxic botting when it benefited them?
Another key reason, not to defend Whatever bay since it was god awful hermit hell, but I feel W16 is when bots went from being a small side project to a major issue being abused by all sides and no answer. I understand it 2 guys in a shed basically but even a hint of rules and punishment would go a long way
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u nerds should try not to make literally every conversation about me my ego is already too big
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Were feeding it as an experiment to see when it reaches critical mass and collapses into a black hole.
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Re: Hide your bots, hide your wives

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DorenirI wrote:So, Jorb, you did nothing while:

-Boots were used to spam insults during the siege of WB by Snail and his followers.
-Boots were used to aggro and kill players who jumped to Charterstone after hijacking the name of the Market Charterstone.
-Boots were used to assemble and disassemble wrecking balls just to generate noise during the siege of WB by Snail and his followers.
-Boots were used to hunt people from Snekia, with multiple accounts attacking at once and instantly killing other players.
-Boots were used to destroy entire sectors during the siege of WB, constantly destroying the palisade built by Snail and his followers.

So I want to know the reason. Jorb, why did you act now and not before?

As someone who has been constantly dealing with bots, I want to understand. Tell me what crimes those bots committed that finally led to action, and then explain why you ignored all of this behavior from Snail and his followers in the past.

Or did you simply choose to support toxic botting when it benefited them?
Probably because he got caught doing obscene levels of botting on an official livestream right before a new world dropped. That looks really, really bad, and if they don't punish it then it only looks worse. Plus I doubt he pays nearly as much money as Snail and his friends do so JnL have no incentive to let him off with only a few smashed hearthfires and a few random bots KO'd.

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