Can any Turks fill us in on whats happening in Turkey??

[Clemence]

My feeling after seing all that this night.

Forever Turckia have a problem with his army, like Egypt, army is a strong second power.
So Erdogen replaced the top chef of army with someone on his side.
But how can he know who are fidel and who could be against him in the rest of the army ?
Hi can have just put rumours in the army circle about a putch, than at the planed date, the not so fidel was there and try a push.
But they soon saw that the others was not there, there was just a fiew militaries here, and obviosly they were defeat.
So in the end :
- Erdogen can unviel and condamn the trators
- Erdogen can tell peoples to go to the street and make martyr, that will give him beter popularity and nationalist feelings in the peoples
- Erdogen can catch this frenesy of the people to catch and emprison all the juges in the country and replace them by his freind, despite the juges have nothing to do with the "putch"

[avros008]

"nationalist feelings in the peoples"

Nationalists never attack their army. Its just faith feel or religius shit

[Jalpha]

So the police used teargas on the soldiers? And then citizens assaulted them? (FYI it is against the Geneva convention for the military to use teargas, or gas of any kind, MPs can get some leeway but only rarely).

It looks like the soldiers put up no resistance at all. A remarkably similar situation to what occurred prior to the incident in Tiananmen Square. Having served in the armed forces myself I can assure you that being asked to do violence upon the very people you signed up to protect is the worst nightmare of a soldier. It is something we would sometimes discuss in idle times. They would not have wanted to use violence and even if instructed to do so it is highly, highly likely they would have avoided doing so by any means possible. They were probably hoping that the civilians would be fearful enough to keep their distance. Soldiers are people too.

In China, when the situation escalated and the population resisted control their military also did not wish to do violence upon their own countrymen. However... The Government had a crack force of deranged lunatics who wouldn't mind doing so, and they unleashed them in the square while soldiers from other units looked on in horror. Most governments have such a force.

Not such a different situation in some ways.

[avros008]

[pedorlee]

I will search the source now but as I've read, the turkish pilot who killed the russian pilot was one of the rebels.
Then 2700 judges down, 6 or 8 from the highest judiciary of Turkey.
Ex CIA guy, related to several coups d'etat, talking about how lame and bad done this coup d'etat has been done.

Erdogan rejected in Germany while asking for asylum, then accepted in Iran and escorted by 2 jet fighters back home.
This certainly sucks.

Shitty world where the bad guys allways wins.

PD: A massive faggot have reported me for the first time in several years here...

Eat a dick cuckhold.

[Grog]

Many Germans, including some newspapers feel reminded of the German 'Reichstagsbrand'. (Incendiary of the German parlamentarian building, that gave Hitler the opportunity to get rid of a vast of his enemies.)

[avros008]

Many Germans, including some newspapers feel reminded of the German 'Reichstagsbrand'. (Incendiary of the German parlamentarian building, that gave Hitler the opportunity to get rid of a vast of his enemies.)

Its %100 same but its worst i prefer nazis to islamic state

[Grog]

I don't.

[pedorlee]

Many Germans, including some newspapers feel reminded of the German 'Reichstagsbrand'. (Incendiary of the German parlamentarian building, that gave Hitler the opportunity to get rid of a vast of his enemies.)

Its %100 same but its worst i prefer nazis to islamic state

You prefer them because you havent suffered them. This idiotic dualism you have stated make sense once you understand that op has a chromosome abnormality or a total leak of knowledge about history.

Whats better: eating glass or chewing pushpins? None.

Im going to sleep. Sorry for my bad mood.

fts

[dageir]

I will search the source now but as I've read, the turkish pilot who killed the russian pilot was one of the rebels.
Then 2700 judges down, 6 or 8 from the highest judiciary of Turkey.
Ex CIA guy, related to several coups d'etat, talking about how lame and bad done this coup d'etat has been done.

Erdogan rejected in Germany while asking for asylum, then accepted in Iran and escorted by 2 jet fighters back home.
This certainly sucks.

Shitty world where the bad guys allways wins.

PD: A massive faggot have reported me for the first time in several years here...

Eat a dick cuckhold.

Why would Iran or (Iraq for that matter) take in Erdogan? They hate his guts aswell.

Which countries actually support Turkey wholeheartedly?
I am pretty sure most Western leaders hoped for a smooth coup. Putin would like to see his head on a stake.
I do not know what other Middle Eastern countries think of him. He probably is a hero among some sunni muslims.
There is a divide between what the people think and what the leaders of various countries think though.
ISIS probably liked how things turned out. In the long run Erdogan (or his heirs) and ISIS might become contenders for the leadership
of the future caliphate though.

The Turkish people seems divided, but a majority seems to be against regime change from a coup. Turkey will get an islamistic dictatorship.
Congratulations..

We will see an increased crackdown on Erdogans enemies. I predict that Turkey will invade Kurdish areas in Iraq and Syria and force them out.
What Erdogan will do with ISIS is more unclear. Thus far he has supported them from behind to wear down the Kurds. If the Turkish armies invade Iraq and Syria, they do not need ISIS any more.
Most likely he will slaughter ISIS killing two birds with one stone.
They will ofcourse try to avoid to mess with the Russians in Syria.

Iran will support militias and probably the Kurds against the Turks.

Saudi-Arabia will support Turkish intervention. The West will let the dice fall wherever they may and try to stay out of this mess. (Unless Clinton is elected, which seems unlikely).

Russia will try to undermine Turkey however they can without being dragged into this swamp. They will try to avoid open combat because of NATO. Putin might pull out some brinkmanship play though.
How the NATO will react to open war between Turkey and Russia, I am not sure. (NATO should try to find some excuse to oust Turkey from the alliance).

Turkey has drifted so far away from the idea of democracy that they have no place in the NATO.