Thinking of helms: Winged vs Bronze

[barra]

Why is the winged helm better than a bronze helm at equal quality? Ore rarity goes iron->tin->copper with iron being the most common and copper typically needing level 3 and below. If you have copper you'll almost certainly have access to the metals needed to make either. It's also often harder to make higher quality bronze because tin ore is usually shallower and lower quality than copper ore. The only reason I can imagine for bronze helms having worse stats is because it's easier to raise leather Q than chicken Q, but the stat difference is enough I'm not sure it matters.

Bronze stuff probably wouldn't be worth making even if copper ore was changed to be common and shallow like heavy earth. Back in W3 we used bronze for months because almost every iron mine was claimed, but with iron as common as it is, I don't see its place anymore. Even a solo hermit with a fulltime job can manage a few steel crucibles if he lights them on the weekend. Where does bronze fit?

[MightySheep]

If you wanna apply random logic like rarity to justify argument then why not consider real life logic that bronze is simply weaker than iron. Remember, the bronze age came before the iron age.

[barra]

If you wanna apply random logic like rarity to justify argument then why not consider real life logic that bronze is simply weaker than iron. Remember, the bronze age came before the iron age.

iirc, ancient metallurgy moved to iron because copper and tin ores are geographically distant and the trade routes collapsed. Steel is harder than bronze, but steel wasn't around at the time of the transition. Copper and tin ores are supposed to be easy to mine and extract compared to iron. That's the stuff newbie smiths should be working with, even if they have to trade or travel to find the other metal to make their bronze.

As it is most bronze stuff is only good for larp.

[LadyV]

Bronze is weaker than iron. However as we are sort of in the Viking period in the game now bronze is used much less than bronze. It's more cultural than anything else.

[stya]

now bronze is used much less than bronze. It's more cultural than anything else.

Seems legit

[Kelody]

Iron itself is brittle. Steel as we know it now didn't exist then, but iron was forged in a coal furnace, and hammered over and over working some of that carbon and other alloys into the metal.

Bronze isn't used now because the price of copper is very high. Just ask the thieves that break into houses to steal the wiring and pipes. Iron is abundant and cheap, aluminum is usable in many situations also.

[Lunarius_Haberdash]

Bronze is weaker than iron. However as we are sort of in the Viking period in the game now bronze is used much less than bronze. It's more cultural than anything else.

This is actually a misnomer... Bronze is inferior only to steel, not to Iron. Bronze is actually a very durable metal that stands up to corrosion better than it's Iron counterpart. Since the crafting of steel was not a commonly known or understood practice, Bronze remained superior to Iron based products well into the iron age.

The reason that Bronze was quickly replaced by inferior bronze was the difficulty and expense of mining both iron and tin, and properly implementing the smelting/alloying process that followed. Iron was simply easier to mass produce and a hell of a lot cheaper as a result. That, and you can find iron fucking everywhere. Tin and Copper tend to be a bit trickier. Remember, Iron is one of the most abundant elements in the earths crust...

Right behind Bauxite.

[Leafstab]

Why are winged helms better than steel one even? 0-o
Bronze is used in dragon helms at least

[DDDsDD999]

Why are winged helms better than steel one even? 0-o
Bronze is used in dragon helms at least

The power of the chikun.

[_Gunnar]

damn chicken helms

the real victim here is the druids helm, which just straight up sucks apart from how awesome it looks.