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Basic "How Do I" of Haven&Hearth.

Postby ViciousGamer04 » Thu May 27, 2010 9:40 pm

This is just a basic "How do I" guide that covers a lot of questions I keep seeing on H&H's forums. Although some are valid questions.. a lot of them are the same questions over and over again. For the VERY VERY basics of the game you can find them provided here: http://www.havenandhearth.com/portal/howto

As well as here, viewtopic.php?f=2&t=3196

Another reference point to note although its' quite a bit outdated is Haven and Hearth's wikia. The link of which can be found here,
http://havenandhearth.wikia.com/wiki/Haven_and_Hearth_Wiki

Should I get the skill "Swimming"?
No! Swimming is i suppose you can identify as broken or unreasonably insane and chances are you will end up killing your character in the water if you do get it.

Best LP Source for a nub? Generally most people and I do believe it even says in the official guide that making stuff with clay is the best source for beginning LP.
How Do I chop trees? You make an axe with stone and branches. In the tools area in crafting. Then you get lumberjacking.
How do I get seeds? Generally you look for WWW's that in my opinion. They look like little feathers. You need generally at least 15 exploring to find them fairly commonly. You can pick them by right-clicking on them and clicking the only option provided to you by doing so. You can hang them on Drying Frames and/or herbalist tables. Herbalist Tables are generally better as it takes a LOT less time for them to dry and turn into seeds then.
How do I farm? Well, this is simple. Make a plow. Plow a plot. Click the seed and drop it there. by left clicking the seed and right-clicking the plowed spot you want to plant the seed at. Depending on the seed it can take anywhere from 1-2 IRL days. Or something like that.
How do I make a mine? Prospecting skill and Rustroot Extract.
How do I protect my village? Build it in an isolated area(Generally an area far from water as generally if the nub is too lazy to actually play the game he's probably too lazy to walk from his boat to your base in middle of the woods to break it down for the "lolz") as a lot of people in-game seem to macro. You can as suggested by a forum poster also get combat skills(although a lot of people seem to macro.) & learn to use them but i don't feel like going into a comprehensive guide for this atm.
What is Macroing? When someone IRL has no life and decides to macro his stats to go break down villages for the "lolz" and to make themselves feel "superior" for exploiting the game.
What is a griever? Generally they're like macroers but instead of macroing they generally try to exploit game features to give them an advantage over you. One of the most common is when you don't seal your posts for your palisade they will go wrap it around your gates so that you can't get out.
How do I get higher Q water/clay/sand? This is area-based. Certain areas have high Q's while others do not.
What is Quality or "Q"? The better the "Q/Quality" the better the materials you can make with it.

Feel free to add your own to help nubs out. I'll probably add more then when I get bored again.
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Re: Basic "How Do I" of Haven&Hearth.

Postby bitza » Thu May 27, 2010 9:42 pm

No swimming. You will die. And people on the forum will make fun of you when you post about it.

also, string comes from spindly taproots, which you will see when you raise your exploration skill a bit. Or if you found hemp or flax crops, the product you get from harvesting, plant fibers, is also string.

read the haven & hearth wiki, keep in mind it is a publicly maintained wiki, but a lot of the basic information on there is good stuff. check the wiki first, chances are it has the answer to your question
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Re: Basic "How Do I" of Haven&Hearth.

Postby ViciousGamer04 » Thu May 27, 2010 9:45 pm

bitza wrote:No swimming. You will die. And people on the forum will make fun of you when you post about it.


Yeah I added it in, front and center! lol. Although it is mentioned in quite a few places.
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Re: Basic "How Do I" of Haven&Hearth.

Postby Jackard » Thu May 27, 2010 10:34 pm

you're not going to get a sticky until you learn how to post objectively
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Re: Basic "How Do I" of Haven&Hearth.

Postby Dataslycer » Thu May 27, 2010 10:44 pm

- There are a lot of grammar problems to be addressed in the entire documents.
- You need to elaborate some of your explanations. Some of them does not take into account that these are new players that are reading this and will know relatively little.
- Some of the explanation of your FAQ is very incoherent and unclear.
- There are also quite some biased information in there as well. For these you need to put down a unbiased information followed by a sentence, "In my opinion" or something similar.
- You use some terminology that a newbie will not understand such as WWW.
- You spelled griefer wrong.
- The Haven and Hearth Wiki is your friend for information. Use that and let them know as well.



Should I get the skill "Swimming"?
No! Swimming is i suppose you can identify as broken or unreasonably insane and chances are you will end up killing your character in the water if you do get it.


I almost was not able to understood the first part of the sentence. You may need to reword this.

Best LP Source for a nub? Generally most people and I do believe it even says in the official guide that making stuff with clay is the best source for beginning LP.


The underline part needs to be reworded. You also forgot to mention to get the pottery skill to be able to dig at all. Finally you need to give more than one instance of gaining LP relatively quickly. Remember, they start off with almost no skills, and no knowledge.

How Do I chop trees? You make an axe with stone and branches. In the tools area in crafting. Then you get lumberjacking.


Explain the process of making an axe as well as gaining the skill.

How do I get seeds? Generally you look for WWW's that in my opinion, look like little feathers. You need generally at least 15 exploring to find them fairly commonly.


OK one, newbies do not know what WWW is. Also you skip entirely of the fact that you need to hang the Windsown Weeds on a drying rack or a herbalist table.

How do I make a mine? Prospecting skill and Rustroot Extract.


What's the perception x exploration to find rustroot? What does rustroot look like? What does the 5 number mean if you find metal? These are missing from your explanation

How do I protect my village? Build it in an isolated area(Generally an area far from water as generally if the nub is too lazy to actually play the game he's probably too lazy to walk from his boat to your base to break it down for the "lolz") as a lot of people in-game seem to macro.


The underline part needs a much more clearer explanation. You need to state that raiders prefer searching for villages near water since they are less inclined to walk to raid villages. Anonymity is not the only defense they need as well, they also need to train warriors as well as learning the combat skills too.

What is Macroing? When someone IRL has no life and decides to macro his stats to go break down villages for the "lolz" and to make themselves feel "superior" for exploiting the game.


I feel this is a rather biased explanation. You only need to say what macroing is and not why they do it. SOME RL has no life sabotages your credential as an informer.


What is a griever? Generally they're like macroers but instead of macroing they generally try to exploit game features to give them an advantage over you. One of the most common is when you don't seal your posts for your palisade they will go wrap it around your gates so that you can't get out.


First, you spelled griefer wrong. Second, the first sentence implies that griefers are macroers which is not necessarily true. Finally the information, in my honest opinion doesn't truly define what a griefer is.

How do I get higher Q water/clay/sand? This is area-based. Certain areas have high Q's while others do not.


Very vague explanation, No explanation of center point of the resource nodes or telling them that utilizing it reduces the quality.

What is Quality or "Q"? The better the "Q/Quality" the better the materials you can make with it.


There is a lot of explanation for quality and this doesn't quite touch it.

Feel free to add your own to help nubs out. I'll probably add more then when I get bored again.


Leave that part this out!


Sorry if I seem quite harsh on the critique but I feel that this FAQ or guide needs a lot more work until it helps serve a means to help newbies.
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Re: Basic "How Do I" of Haven&Hearth.

Postby burgingham » Thu May 27, 2010 10:53 pm

Word. I would not have put it in such a nice way, because this guide sucks.

One addition: How can macroers be no lifers when macros only run when you can do nothng else at your computer. It is far more a thing for people staying away from their computer quite long. Also (and this seems to be peculated by most people) macros do not give you serious lp. Each task you do when playing is better than macroing, so it makes no sense whatsoever to macro while you could be hunting bears or even farming.
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Re: Basic "How Do I" of Haven&Hearth.

Postby ViciousGamer04 » Thu May 27, 2010 11:14 pm

Lol. You guys get all paranoid and I only spent a minute writing it and haven't really edited(and or expanded) it yet. Roflmao. :lol:

Some of you need a life. hahahha.

Jackard wrote:you're not going to get a sticky until you learn how to post objectively


I guess based on that logic my other thread should get stickied then. The one in uh the Critique board. It's so simplistic and straightforward & I tried to skim down to the threads that were either original, and/or mentioned a lot and had at least a decent amount of pages of responses.

Dataslycer wrote:- There are a lot of grammar problems to be addressed in the entire documents.
- You need to elaborate some of your explanations. Some of them does not take into account that these are new players that are reading this and will know relatively little.
- Some of the explanation of your FAQ is very incoherent and unclear.
- There are also quite some biased information in there as well. For these you need to put down a unbiased information followed by a sentence, "In my opinion" or something similar.
- You use some terminology that a newbie will not understand such as WWW.
- You spelled griefer wrong.
- The Haven and Hearth Wiki is your friend for information. Use that and let them know as well.


Who cares about grammer, it's an online game...not a homework assignment.

Yeah, I know I need to elaborate. I just didn't get to it yet. However. The more details I add the less likely they are to read it and they commonly refer to it as a "block of text".

It's not biased. It would be biased if it wasn't based on VERY factual information that the player SHOULD know or at least be somewhat aware of what they have to deal with in-game.

Terminology doesn't matter when I identify that you have to look for something I defined as a "feather". I didn't however mention that you have to pick it by right-clicking & I also didn't get around to mentioning the drying frame/herb table stuff yet. Got busy with things that are actually required of me(this guide is not.)

I've seen it spelled both ways. Griever and Griefer.

Yeah, the wiki doesn't go over a lot of the basic information I was working on building up. Also, the wiki is quite out of date and a good bit of information on it is wrong now.

Rewording that first sentance might be a good idea, aha. I did just kind of throw that in later and didn't really think about how it sounded.

Nah, i don't see the purpose of mentioning other lp sources in THAT question. it is a basic guide for H&H'ers. I can get more comprehensive later. I mainly just wanted to get the post up today and work off of it.

The mine thing I can definitely expand on but I wanted to get the basics out there.

Training is pointless when a macroer just macros for a week and easily surpasses your skills. In an ideal game without macroers this would make sense. However, this isn't an ideal game. It's more of a sandbox game and in development. I could mention that they should if they would like but in any real big fights chances are they would be combating a macroer.

Actually no. I weighed griever/griefers as on the same scale as a macroer. They're both sad pathetic nublets that exploit the game in one fashion or another for whatever the given reason. Whether using tools within the game or not.

I agree about the Q stuff. i was quite vague but as I mention numerous times this was a post to work off of.

Haha, I could leave that "boredom" part out but it is true. I generally don't like lying to people or withholding information.

I like critique. Thanks for the critique although like I said. This is just a basic guide. I didn't really expand on my ideas yet.

burgingham wrote:Word. I would not have put it in such a nice way, because this guide sucks.

One addition: How can macroers be no lifers when macros only run when you can do nothng else at your computer. It is far more a thing for people staying away from their computer quite long. Also (and this seems to be peculated by most people) macros do not give you serious lp. Each task you do when playing is better than macroing, so it makes no sense whatsoever to macro while you could be hunting bears or even farming.


I can think of over 1000 ways to macro/exploit the game and get unbridled amounts of LP for it but generally the point of the game is to PLAY the game. Yes, i'm sure some people play and then macro while they're not at the computer. However. That it is still sad, and pointless to do. If it suits you better instead of "no lifer" I could label them as pathetic nublets? Buuttt. I didn't necessarily mean "no lifer" in the context that you seem to think that I meant it.

You can set macros for farming btw. Annnd. If you know enough you could feasibly set up a macro to hunt animals. Really. You can set macros for anything you want so thus most of your argument is pointless and only opening up the fact that it sounds like you yourself, macro.
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Re: Basic "How Do I" of Haven&Hearth.

Postby Jackard » Thu May 27, 2010 11:21 pm

much liek urself
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Re: Basic "How Do I" of Haven&Hearth.

Postby ViciousGamer04 » Thu May 27, 2010 11:36 pm

Jackard wrote:much liek urself


Why? Because I can type 80-100WPM and articulate myself about 1000x better then everyone? Or perhaps my super high "200" post count as compared to some of the people in here with way over 1000. :lol:
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Re: Basic "How Do I" of Haven&Hearth.

Postby sabinati » Thu May 27, 2010 11:41 pm

worst guide ever
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