Game Development: Studded Rabbit

[Oddity]

• Took some steps to redefine the food variance bonus. The effect is now reduced for each new food type you eat, resetting when you level up.

Why?

[Sarge]

stupid questing system.

This is a legitimate discussion. I'm not entirely sure which part you find stupid -- random quests, or the rewards, or perhaps both -- but I'll give you my five cents on it either way.

I think the quest system was a great addition. Especially early world, I love that it gives me something to do, and a reason to be out and about, exploring and meeting trees, while I'm waiting for timers on various other things.

While I do hold the above, I also obviously recognize that the quests aren't particularly inspired, and with an established base I don't run many of them myself. I agree that this playstyle is probably punished a bit too much in terms of gains. Quests are a bit too necessary.

However. There's a very delicate balance to be struck, between being forced to wait on time gates, and being able to invest effort to progress faster. If you can't do the latter to any extent, it's, for example, never possible to catch up to those ahead of you, even if they slack off. Time gates are good because they provide a pause in frantic game play where you can just relax and do whatever you like, without feeling like you're falling behind. Effort induced progress is also good, because only having to wait for timers for every little thing is a bit soul crushing as well.

It's not an entirely trivial balance to strike, quite simply.

This I can appreciate, all of it.

First the critical bit: In my opinion some of the rewards, specifically LP and stomach relief is way too high which currently creates the scenario where doing quests feels like a 'must do' instead of the 'something to do' that it sets out to achieve because if you don't you'll fall hopelessly behind. Except the majority of us can't invest that much time into it and this causes no-lifers to completely run away with character development. The gap is just too big and not by a little bit, to the point that I would argue that LP and stomach relief shouldn't be on the rewards list at all.

Only thereafter improving on the tiers etc. That's improving the experience, making it less sucky. Sucky is not the big issue here.

[Angwyn]

A character specializing in mining currently stands out as it is with overwhelming amounts of energy spent. I play a multipurpose single char with my mate, so, basically, a hermit. My area is mostly mining and smithing, his is all the nature-hippie stuff (trees and crops and silk), that's how it's been for us for the last 3 worlds. In this world I'm progressing my stats at a considerably lower rate than him because in order to mine I HAVE to eat, frequently and a lot. His hunger level rarely raises to more than 200% efficacy, mine is almost always at 90% or 100%.

I still don't get what the problem is? Doesn't that just mean your friend is not eating enough and could gain a lot more stats by keeping his hunger down to your levels? Considering how slowly hunger drops at the higher levels, surely it can't be efficient to let your character stay at the 200/300% levels unless you quest all day for the stomach relief rewards. If there is anything keeping you from gaining stats, wouldn't it be satieties rather than the way FEP bonus works?

[Granger]

Just make it so you need actual characters around and not just charisma alts

If you have any kind of suggestion for how to differentiate those, please tell me, o mighty wizard.

Simple: hardcap charisma by all other attributes when calculating feasting boni.

You are not supposed to be able to kill players without rage. Wtf are you not understanding about this?

You are not understanding the fact that jorb and loftar said multiple times that they don't want someone to be just "immortal" they wanted the risk of dying to always be in the game, now they removed it kinda with the b12 nerf.

And they don't seem to fully understand that guaranteed non-rage = no-death would not only massively increase their potential userbase (as most sane people stay away from slow character development + open pvp + permadeath) and enable plenty of new fun stuff (eg. a rebellion of farmers would suddenly be feasible) but also keep their current users:

It's not my intention to make non-rage characters immortal, for sure.

There's at least 3 neighbours around us that got random-ganked and quit. IMO having less dying for those people who don't want any PvP is good change. Big faction warriors all have rage so they can kill each other however they want.

q.e.d.

Of course we aren't just doing random shit and see what sticks; in case you thought otherwise, we do try to reason about the changes and exert ourselves to try doing the best we can.

At times it seems quite different; two heads, whatever amount exertion, are less capable alone compared to them also harvesting the ones on the forum.

Why bother with the C&I subforum then?

There are different kinds of feedback. Ideas are nice. Specific points of critique are useful (when posted in a useful form). There are cases where it's meaningful to ask about something, for instance to ask people to find potential flaws (such as the recent threads about siege mechanics).

Which is good and should IMHO be the standard operating procedure.

All I was saying is that "just ask the forum about what we should do" is not a working solution.

You might have noticed that the more you interacted in topics where you asked for feedback the better the result was (at least my impression). Surely you won't get a one-liner with a solution (well, maybe except this one ) but you should get a good impression what people think about stuff, if it will or won't be a good idea (at times even a 'why' backed by an argument that isn't a fallacy).

To be sure, "asking" more often than not just brings us 5+ conflicting opinions with no way to tell them apart.

Maintaining a list of the accounts that blantantly lied to further their agenda (keep broken mechanics so they can continue to exploit them) to ignore from there on (or at least take their input with some packs of salt) would certainly help with this.

Doing an actual change and seeing what actually happens tends to be a lot more productive.

In case the way your users perceive this tactic is irrelevant...

[Asgaroth22]

Wow, did all trees actually just instantly grow up? Noice.
Inb4 world nuke imminent

[loftar]

Wow, did all trees actually just instantly grow up? Noice.

So it seems, yes. I messed up the fix. Seems there's a reason momma told me to always test even the most minor of changes. :P

[Granger]

Sand fleas no longer bite after having been caught. Talked about here.

Can they get a use, please?

Do you mean beyond fishing bait?

Yes, some absurd medical use to treat something.

[Jazcash]

Variety nerf was needed. Literally had no reason to ever play half the game because I could get 200+ stats by eating 1 or 2 sausages then 20-30 berries/fruits/nuts etc. Now I actually have a reason to care about the hundreds of other foods in the game I've never bothered to check out, and also start caring about food efficacy more instead of perpetually being on 50% without it mattering at all

[stya]

Wow, did all trees actually just instantly grow up? Noice.

So it seems, yes. I messed up the fix. Seems there's a reason momma told me to always test even the most minor of changes.

Can totally relate to that. My Momma also told me to write tests and then I said "But my users can test for me, no?"

[Grog]

Wow, did all trees actually just instantly grow up? Noice.
Inb4 world nuke imminent

My trees did not