Cameras: bad or ortho? discuss!

[Burinn]

I don't think you understand what the word objective means. There's no need to flame people.

[NOOBY93]

I don't think you understand what the word objective means. There's no need to flame people.

Ok let me break it down for you:

If cam 1 has feature X1 and problem Y1, cam 2 has feature X2 and problem Y2, some players find the feature X1 more important than problem Y1 (and the problem Y2 bigger than feature X2) and vice versa, then it's a matter of preference, neither is objectively better nor worse. In this case cam bad would subjectively be bad FOR YOU, and good for me, opposite for standard cam.

Pls learn the definition of "objective"

[Burinn]

I don't think you understand what the word objective means. There's no need to flame people.

Ok let me break it down for you:

If cam 1 has feature X1 and problem Y1, cam 2 has feature X2 and problem Y2, some players find the feature X1 more important than problem Y1 (and the problem Y2 bigger than feature X2) and vice versa, then it's a matter of preference, neither is objectively better nor worse. In this case cam bad would subjectively be bad FOR YOU, and good for me, opposite for standard cam.

Pls learn the definition of "objective"

Objectivity isn't a matter of preference. That's the opposite of objectivity. A functionality that is critical to completing quests not working without a work around is objectively worse than being able to click a little bit farther for longer moves in a boat. I really don't understand how that's remotely controversial.

[Teleskop]

i did a lot of quests with cambad and i didnt even know theres any problem with it LOL

[NOOBY93]

Unless someone finds clicking further more useful than the quest workaround is a detriment in which case the problem of not being able to pan in standard camera outweighs the problem of the quest bug with an extremely simple quick and easy workaround making it a matter of preference and not objectivity. Just because you prefer something doesn't mean it's objectively better.

a cam WOULD be objectively better if it was literally the same as another cam, but say, had no bugs. So long as one cam has a feature that another doesn't and vice versa it will never be an objective matter

[Burinn]

Unless someone finds clicking further more useful than the quest workaround is a detriment in which case the problem of not being able to pan in standard camera outweighs the problem of the quest bug with an extremely simple quick and easy workaround making it a matter of preference and not objectivity. Just because you prefer something doesn't mean it's objectively better.

Objectivity has nothing to do with whether or not someone finds something useful. Objectivity isn't a matter of preference. Having a component of the game not work is objectively worse than having it work. That's just indisputable, IE not a matter of opinion.

No one is making the argument that at the end of the day choosing one camera over the other isn't a matter of preference.

[NOOBY93]

Unless someone finds clicking further more useful than the quest workaround is a detriment in which case the problem of not being able to pan in standard camera outweighs the problem of the quest bug with an extremely simple quick and easy workaround making it a matter of preference and not objectivity. Just because you prefer something doesn't mean it's objectively better.

Objectivity has nothing to do with whether or not someone finds something useful. Objectivity isn't a matter of preference. Having a component of the game not work is objectively worse than having it work. That's just indisputable, IE not a matter of opinion.

No one is making the argument that at the end of the day choosing one camera over the other isn't a matter of preference.

Pls stop using this post to rack up your post count, you're way too braindead to not be trolling

A cam is a part of the UI that serves a purpose for the player. Different cams have different features and problems. BAD has the easily workarounded quest bug, standard has lack of panning. The player chooses which problem bothers him less. It's a subjective matter. Now stfu and go back to school, my blood starts to boil when I talk to people who refuse to listen to logic.

[Burinn]

Unless someone finds clicking further more useful than the quest workaround is a detriment in which case the problem of not being able to pan in standard camera outweighs the problem of the quest bug with an extremely simple quick and easy workaround making it a matter of preference and not objectivity. Just because you prefer something doesn't mean it's objectively better.

Objectivity has nothing to do with whether or not someone finds something useful. Objectivity isn't a matter of preference. Having a component of the game not work is objectively worse than having it work. That's just indisputable, IE not a matter of opinion.

No one is making the argument that at the end of the day choosing one camera over the other isn't a matter of preference.

The player chooses which problem bothers him less. It's a subjective matter. Now stfu and go back to school, my blood starts to boil when I talk to people who refuse to listen to logic.

You're still arguing against a point I'm not making.

If you can't discuss something on the internet without getting angry or flaming people consider thinking longer before you post or not at all.

[NOOBY93]

It literally has BAD in the name. I just don't get it. It's bad.

Unless you want to be hamstringed doing quests, use the standard cam as others have said.

This obviously implies cam bad is objectively worse unless you like bugs, which is just not true as standard lacks a feature.

[Itanu]

Unless someone finds clicking further more useful than the quest workaround is a detriment in which case the problem of not being able to pan in standard camera outweighs the problem of the quest bug with an extremely simple quick and easy workaround making it a matter of preference and not objectivity. Just because you prefer something doesn't mean it's objectively better.

Objectivity has nothing to do with whether or not someone finds something useful. Objectivity isn't a matter of preference. Having a component of the game not work is objectively worse than having it work. That's just indisputable, IE not a matter of opinion.

No one is making the argument that at the end of the day choosing one camera over the other isn't a matter of preference.

Cam ortho is objectively worse than cam bad in the following aspects:
- it's extremely hard to navigate the steepest mountains, to the point of being broken, due to the fixed perspective.
- its zoom out is limited. This caused many custom clients to allow further zoom out like cam bad has, but is not a cam ortho functionality.
- estimating distance and seeing certain items is much more difficult without a bird's eye view

As we all know, these points don't objectively make one better than the other. Please attention whore/troll somewhere else retard.