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Attas
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What crime is lockpicking?
Title. What permissions do I need to setup to make villagemates leave scents when picking a lock?
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Attas
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Re: What crime is lockpicking?
If anyone is wondering, I tested and it's rummaging. It looks pretty light to me, it should be under vandalism in my opinion.
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Hrenli
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Re: What crime is lockpicking?
I wanted to agree with you but then I thought that if I give you rummaging permission it sort of means "I allow you to come and open my doors"... So it's probably fine(separate permission just for lockpicking sounds unnecessary).Attas wrote:If anyone is wondering, I tested and it's rummaging. It looks pretty light to me, it should be under vandalism in my opinion.
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Attas
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Re: What crime is lockpicking?
If a door or chest is locked it's because the owner didn't want people looking inside it unless they have a key. The only advantage I see is that it gives people the *option* to try to pick a lock and be caught in the process (depending on its quality and the person's skills, it can take up to 24 hours). Still, I'd move it to a more serious crime category.
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Aceb
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Re: What crime is lockpicking?
Personally, I would move it over to "theft" category, as rummaging for villages is a potential ask for troubles, especially when locks were introduced to doors and it might effectively effect people's mind.
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Ysh
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Re: What crime is lockpicking?
Rummage is look where you are no supposed to. Theft is taking item you are no supposed to. Picking lock implies looking but not necessarily taking. I think this rummaging crime is correct.Aceb wrote:Personally, I would move it over to "theft" category, as rummaging for villages is a potential ask for troubles, especially when locks were introduced to doors and it might effectively effect people's mind.
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Hrenli
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Re: What crime is lockpicking?
Well, there is slight difference between opening a door and opening a locked door. Current system doesn't distinguish these two. Technically it calls for a separate category (because as you said, on the other side there is a difference between looking and taking) between rummaging and theft, but I think it's too much just for this particular case. If we have to make a compromise and merge it either with rummaging or with theft I think rummaging is better. The worst which could happen is that someone peeks into a locked container without you knowing it. But if he takes anything from there it's still a theft.Ysh wrote:Rummage is look where you are no supposed to. Theft is taking item you are no supposed to. Picking lock implies looking but not necessarily taking. I think this rummaging crime is correct.
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Ysh
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Re: What crime is lockpicking?
Assuming that other side of this door is some area I am not supposed to be in, then I think there is no great difference between if there is lock on door or not. In either case I have entered some location I should not be in, just in one case it took me a bit more work.Hrenli wrote:Well, there is slight difference between opening a door and opening a locked door. Current system doesn't distinguish these two. Technically it calls for a separate category (because as you said, on the other side there is a difference between looking and taking) between rummaging and theft, but I think it's too much just for this particular case. If we have to make a compromise and merge it either with rummaging or with theft I think rummaging is better. The worst which could happen is that someone peeks into a locked container without you knowing it. But if he takes anything from there it's still a theft.Ysh wrote:Rummage is look where you are no supposed to. Theft is taking item you are no supposed to. Picking lock implies looking but not necessarily taking. I think this rummaging crime is correct.
Maybe there would be argument if picking the lock breaks this lock so that owner needs to create new lock. If this were true, I could see reason to make it vandalism, since you destory lock. I believe current case in game is you can just relock this same lock after it has been picked, without changing the lock, so I think this does not apply. The only thing lock owner loses is the secrets beyond the lock.
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