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jorb
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Re: Game Development: Glimmer Thatch
Some good ideas there, bois. I like tying things to shared resources/intensity/the like. Will iterate.
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MagicManICT
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Re: Game Development: Glimmer Thatch
In general for the current discussion: As far as "powerful moves" go, let's remember this is an open world game, not some arena match where you respawn after getting taken out, or at least move on to the next match in a few minutes.
Let's not forget the old exploits from this where people would stack (IP, advantage, I forget whatever else) on something inconsequential. I know some of it did get fixed during w7, but seems like it was too little, too late given the massive change to combat with the start of w8.Pan_w_okularach wrote:Agreed. Getting 10-15 coins on every opponent before the fight could actually start was pure cancer. I suggest adding some sort of combat stamina: you start with full combat stamina, every move, offensive or defensive, costs some amount, and it refills over time. Kinda like the attack bar from Legacy.
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jordancoles
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Re: Game Development: Glimmer Thatch
The IP mechanic in 1v1s isn't terrible, but managing multiple pools of IP across multiple targets and switching targets is just awful and always had been
Custom clients make it more bearable but then the screen just becomes so cluttered with overhead displays that you might as well be fighting a black collision box rather than another player wearing gear
Directional combat seems to be the way to go but ping differences and the IP mechanics are making it clumsy now.
I am also not a huge fan of the "combat interaction" that you need to initiate before being able to use combat moves. I would prefer it if we could que moves at any time from our hotkeys and then initiate combat more freely in that way. Group combat usually starts with agroing everyone near you and stacking coins. If one of your targets runs too far away and loses agro, you have to get coins all over again. It makes for a lot of micromanagement and spam clicking that I feel takes a lot of the focus and fun away from group combat
Custom clients make it more bearable but then the screen just becomes so cluttered with overhead displays that you might as well be fighting a black collision box rather than another player wearing gear
Directional combat seems to be the way to go but ping differences and the IP mechanics are making it clumsy now.
I am also not a huge fan of the "combat interaction" that you need to initiate before being able to use combat moves. I would prefer it if we could que moves at any time from our hotkeys and then initiate combat more freely in that way. Group combat usually starts with agroing everyone near you and stacking coins. If one of your targets runs too far away and loses agro, you have to get coins all over again. It makes for a lot of micromanagement and spam clicking that I feel takes a lot of the focus and fun away from group combat
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bmjclark
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Re: Game Development: Glimmer Thatch
Yea it's just everyone in NA who needs um.SnuggleSnail wrote:I assume the high ping population is small/not worth catering to given the state of flower menus/coracles.Vigilance wrote:New combat is so fucking incoherent between two people, one with 60 ping and one with about 200. I am completely unable to put up a convincing fight.
This would absolutely kill the game for me. It's conceptually okay, I don't like it, but holy fucking crap this netcode and this ping have thoroughly convinced me that this is the single most detrimental implementation that could ever come to me.
450MS btw
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jordancoles
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Re: Game Development: Glimmer Thatch
I idle at like 250-285ms and at one point I saw it spike to 460 for some reason. This is my life in HNH since legacybmjclark wrote:Yea it's just everyone in NA who needs um.SnuggleSnail wrote:I assume the high ping population is small/not worth catering to given the state of flower menus/coracles.Vigilance wrote:New combat is so fucking incoherent between two people, one with 60 ping and one with about 200. I am completely unable to put up a convincing fight.
This would absolutely kill the game for me. It's conceptually okay, I don't like it, but holy fucking crap this netcode and this ping have thoroughly convinced me that this is the single most detrimental implementation that could ever come to me.
450MS btw
Check out my pro-tips threadDuhhrail wrote:No matter how fast you think you can beat your meat, Jordancoles lies in the shadows and waits to attack his defenseless prey. (tl;dr) Don't afk and jack off.

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CTheRain
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Re: Game Development: Glimmer Thatch
It sounds like you guys are talking about the rogues energy bar from WoW.
We buy things we don't need with money we don't have to impress people we don't like.
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jorb
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Re: Game Development: Glimmer Thatch
Can you? On the latest build? How?neeco wrote:You can outrun someone using gftj on run speed, much less sprint.
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jorb
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Re: Game Development: Glimmer Thatch
So that no every fight is always about cleaving, and only that? So that fights can have state that matters? So that you can unlock more powerful attacks through intelligent manipulation of said state?Pan_w_okularach wrote:1. Multiple openings. Why are we doing multiple openings, again? What does it achieve that one opening can't? Needless convolution.
I'm not wed to multiple openings, but those are the reasons behind it, at least.
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jorb
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Re: Game Development: Glimmer Thatch
I could see how it could play out like that if you're using take aim from the old systems, but does it really now that you gain IP from actual hits?Tarnum wrote:Anyway running around enemy army and gather ip on each enemy untill you got enough to start fight not even fun
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jorb
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Re: Game Development: Glimmer Thatch
Wasn't all of this the case in Legacy as well?jordancoles wrote:The IP mechanic in 1v1s isn't terrible, but managing multiple pools of IP across multiple targets and switching targets is just awful and always had been
Custom clients make it more bearable but then the screen just becomes so cluttered with overhead displays that you might as well be fighting a black collision box rather than another player wearing gear
I am also not a huge fan of the "combat interaction" that you need to initiate before being able to use combat moves. I would prefer it if we could que moves at any time from our hotkeys and then initiate combat more freely in that way. Group combat usually starts with agroing everyone near you and stacking coins. If one of your targets runs too far away and loses agro, you have to get coins all over again. It makes for a lot of micromanagement and spam clicking that I feel takes a lot of the focus and fun away from group combat
"The psychological trials of dwellers in the last times will be equal to the physical trials of the martyrs. In order to face these trials we must be living in a different world."
-- Hieromonk Seraphim Rose
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