Bat behavior

[VDZ]

As I posted about in the 'World 14 unofficial changelog' thread, current bat behavior does not match what the wiki describes. Loftar says they haven't been buffed, which implies either the wiki has been wrong all this time, or there is some bug. These are my current observations:

- Vampirism is used way below 50% yellow opening. They use it at least as low as 31% yellow opening.
- Vampirism does not heal 'a small amount', one bat I fought managed to double its HP in a very short fight (where I did take a lot of damage).
- Wingbeat also doesn't require 40% light blue/green, I've seen it happen as low as 23%.
- Vampirism causes dark blue opening.
- At the start of the battle, the bat does seem to only spam Fell Scratch.

Please share your observations and thoughts. I'm thinking we may be fundamentally misunderstanding the combat behavior of bats; perhaps they start using certain moves after taking certain amounts of damage or something, rather than it being based on openings?

EDIT: For reference, I can fight bats comfortably at 21 AGI, 15 UA with 15 STR now so with those stats you won't have problems. But it does bother me that they don't behave as the wiki describes them.
EDIT2: Added cause of dark blue opening.

[Zentetsuken]

my brother in christ are you okay?




judging by this screenshot you shared, the fact that you have been playing this game for 11 years, your argument with loftar and so, so much more

I can pretty much promise you that the problem is neither the bats or the wiki

there is definitely a very significant 3rd option here

[strpk0]

[DonVelD]

sounds like a skill issue to me, to have more than 30 openings is fucking hilarious lmao

[VDZ]

<roundabout way of saying 'skill issue'>

Let's see you do better at 9 UA, 18 AGI and 11 STR. You can post about it in the bragging thread so we can get back to the topic of what parts of the wiki explanation are incorrect. I have no issue with bats at my current stats, but they still don't behave as the wiki describes.

[Audiosmurf]

They feel more or less the same to me, maybe a little more prone to fleeing.

[Zentetsuken]

<roundabout way of saying 'skill issue'>

Let's see you do better at 9 UA, 18 AGI and 11 STR. You can post about it in the bragging thread so we can get back to the topic of what parts of the wiki explanation are incorrect. I have no issue with bats at my current stats, but they still don't behave as the wiki describes.

No, you absolutely are having issues. That screenshot is proof that this is a YOU problem.

[Halbertz]

skill issue

[VDZ]

That screenshot is proof that this is a YOU problem.

The screenshot literally shows the bat having Vampirism queued immediately after I used a Punch (i.e. I did not just use a yellow restoration), with my yellow opening at 43%. The wiki says "Will only use if Reeling is above 50%". Moreover, the wiki claims none of the bat's attacks cause dark blue openings, yet I have 80% dark blue opening. How is this not clear evidence that the wiki is wrong on bat behavior?

EDIT: By the way, forgot to mention that Vampirism seems to cause dark blue opening. Added to OP now.

[Zentetsuken]

That screenshot is proof that this is a YOU problem.

The screenshot literally shows the bat having Vampirism queued immediately after I used a Punch (i.e. I did not just use a yellow restoration), with my yellow opening at 43%. The wiki says "Will only use if Reeling is above 50%". Moreover, the wiki claims none of the bat's attacks cause dark blue openings, yet I have 80% dark blue opening. How is this not clear evidence that the wiki is wrong on bat behavior?

EDIT: By the way, forgot to mention that Vampirism seems to cause dark blue opening. Added to OP now.

the fact that you are using the wiki to understand how to fight a bat during your 11th year of play is the real issue here

you are getting your ass whooped by it

bats were not buffed and it does not matter what the wiki says

VDZ, it is time to take a step back and self-assess