Per Jorb's request: Austin VS WB Discourse

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Re: Per Jorb's request: Austin VS WB Discourse

Postby Vraatjuh » Tue Oct 08, 2024 5:26 pm

Shitten_DuPants wrote:look I think you have a point and I wouldn’t necessarily characterize what you are doing as deflection or whataboutism or dousing cold water or whatever.

But the purpose of austin’s original thread, as I understand it, was the sort of community policing you seem to be advocating for here, which it seems you (and I hope everyone) would support in this specific case. Go ahead and make another thread about separate issues if you wish but I don’t see much for you to be arguing about here with other people who also despise pedophilia

I’d also like to note that, though they do it somewhat ironically, j/l are not the “gods” of the game’s community they style themselves as, just people participating in the space with vastly more power than any other. And there’s a difference between “allowing” and “encouraging” behavior; no matter what you think of either you can find examples of both, not just the former.


You are right, I have probably been partially the reason for derailing this thread and it probably deserves its own topic.
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Re: Per Jorb's request: Austin VS WB Discourse

Postby Black_DuHole » Tue Oct 08, 2024 5:27 pm

Apocoreo wrote:
hello vatas i know you see this, i hope your day is going great!


I mean there very much was a thread where he quadrupled down. I dont think his discord comments sounded like a joke but since those comments don't count (fair), can we get that thread undeleted, as it is extremely relevant to this conversation? If I didnt believe it before that thread would have sealed the deal for me.

It is not even deleted. It is hidden. The community deserves to know the truth.



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Re: Per Jorb's request: Austin VS WB Discourse

Postby Vraatjuh » Tue Oct 08, 2024 5:40 pm

Zampfeo wrote:a child is victimized vs an adult. Calling another adult the N word might lose you some friends or get you beat, but any inclination of being a pedo will get you killed. It is not hypocrisy; it is just a whole different level of moral outrage. Guys like Gary Plauché are idolized in the US.


Just as sub-context slightly less related to the thread; obviously anything child abuse related is also very much frowned upon here (note, we do make a distinction between someone who is attracted to children pre-puberty and 'children' who have a more grown-up body). I do think (correct me if I am wrong) that we put more effort in trying to get these people to live a normal live within society whilst keeping them away from anything child related. These people are, after punishment in jail, very much protected by law to live an as normal live as possible. But anything between chemical castration and 'throwing them off a rock' is an ever ongoing debate of course.

Zampfeo wrote: I have been in villages aligned with these "hypocrites" that silently distanced themselves from players who were too overtly racist and/or edgy, for what it's worth. A few worlds ago someone made a little too many N word runestones and was told to leave, in private.


And that is something that should be the norm in my opinion. Except for them being ousted publically as well.
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Re: Per Jorb's request: Austin VS WB Discourse

Postby vatas » Tue Oct 08, 2024 6:28 pm

Black_DuHole wrote:
Apocoreo wrote:
PROPOSED COMMUNITY NOTE: This purposed "fact" is based on Discord and forum messages that can be feasibly dismissed as distasteful edgy jokes. No evidence beyond screenshots of that nature has ever been provided.

Obviously, this does not proof that he is NOT a pedophile, but...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proving_a_negative


I mean there very much was a thread where he quadrupled down. I dont think his discord comments sounded like a joke but since those comments don't count (fair), can we get that thread undeleted, as it is extremely relevant to this conversation? If I didnt believe it before that thread would have sealed the deal for me.

It is not even deleted. It is hidden. The community deserves to know the truth.



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Note deleted. Lead with stuff like this next time.
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Re: Per Jorb's request: Austin VS WB Discourse

Postby kapitan_prix » Tue Oct 08, 2024 10:49 pm

Zampfeo wrote:
Vraatjuh wrote:But about the insane amount of hypocrisy involving this case. If we are so involved in this community and wanting to make it a safer space. Why stop with this case? Why have we normalized so much of the other stuff in the past.


I am not sure what it is like in your culture, but in the US, there is a huge difference when a child is victimized vs an adult. Calling another adult the N word might lose you some friends or get you beat, but any inclination of being a pedo will get you killed. It is not hypocrisy; it is just a whole different level of moral outrage. Guys like Gary Plauché are idolized in the US.

I have been in villages aligned with these "hypocrites" that silently distanced themselves from players who were too overtly racist and/or edgy, for what it's worth. A few worlds ago someone made a little too many N word runestones and was told to leave, in private.


How many times do you think it's apropriate to say a racial slur? Please give me an exact number
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Re: Per Jorb's request: Austin VS WB Discourse

Postby WowGain » Tue Oct 08, 2024 10:54 pm

vatas wrote:Note deleted. Lead with stuff like this next time.


bro, we DID LEAD WITH THIS. notice that the thread was made in DECEMBER, OF LAST YEAR?
people just ignored it back then and nothing was done, the evidence has always existed and it is what we reference to every time we talk about misa
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Re: Per Jorb's request: Austin VS WB Discourse

Postby Zampfeo » Tue Oct 08, 2024 11:06 pm

kapitan_prix wrote:How many times do you think it's apropriate to say a racial slur? Please give me an exact number


As many times as you want to read To Kill a Mockingbird out loud. Don't derail the thread with your 0-tolerance nonsense.
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Re: Per Jorb's request: Austin VS WB Discourse

Postby vatas » Wed Oct 09, 2024 7:46 am

WowGain wrote:
vatas wrote:Note deleted. Lead with stuff like this next time.


bro, we DID LEAD WITH THIS. notice that the thread was made in DECEMBER, OF LAST YEAR?
people just ignored it back then and nothing was done, the evidence has always existed and it is what we reference to every time we talk about misa

Everyone (including Snail, who Discord DM'd me about this back in June) seemingly only ever cycled the same 4 screenshots.

There's petty vtuber drama with 60 page Google docs. Is it too much to ask that you properly compile the evidence, when you make an accusation this severe?
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Re: Per Jorb's request: Austin VS WB Discourse

Postby Dawidio123 » Wed Oct 09, 2024 11:11 am

vatas wrote:
WowGain wrote:
vatas wrote:Note deleted. Lead with stuff like this next time.


bro, we DID LEAD WITH THIS. notice that the thread was made in DECEMBER, OF LAST YEAR?
people just ignored it back then and nothing was done, the evidence has always existed and it is what we reference to every time we talk about misa

Everyone (including Snail, who Discord DM'd me about this back in June) seemingly only ever cycled the same 4 screenshots.

There's petty vtuber drama with 60 page Google docs. Is it too much to ask that you properly compile the evidence, when you make an accusation this severe?

The forum thread got suddenly bonked so the most vile shit is sadly "hidden". But if devs need any further proof than what has been said on discord or the few saved screenshots from the forum thread, they can go and check the 10+ page thread in its entirety where misa goes all out and digs his own grave with every single post. I'm pretty sure someone made an imgur back then but i can't be bothered to find it really, but it's basically all that austin has posted.
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Re: Per Jorb's request: Austin VS WB Discourse

Postby Black_DuHole » Wed Oct 09, 2024 1:31 pm

vatas wrote:
WowGain wrote:
vatas wrote:Note deleted. Lead with stuff like this next time.


bro, we DID LEAD WITH THIS. notice that the thread was made in DECEMBER, OF LAST YEAR?
people just ignored it back then and nothing was done, the evidence has always existed and it is what we reference to every time we talk about misa

Everyone (including Snail, who Discord DM'd me about this back in June) seemingly only ever cycled the same 4 screenshots.

There's petty vtuber drama with 60 page Google docs. Is it too much to ask that you properly compile the evidence, when you make an accusation this severe?

As said by the last guy, the worst stuff he said got hidden by jorb in december and we didn't catch enough screenshots. If jorb cares about it at all he should at least hel it for us to see instead of hiding. Now Misa is in the backpeddle mode so he won't admit to anything because its simply convenient.
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