I'm still having problems with the results of the Wiki's formula, and I can't seem to decipher the actual formula.
q Pickaxe = (2*rounded Down((av. q metal + q branch)/2) + q Anvil + q Smithy's Hammer)/4
That's the wiki's formula. My last 2 pickaxes were:
qCast 27 qBranch 12 qAnvil 27 qHammer 27
2*rounded down(27 + 12)/2 = 38 . (38+27+27)/4 = q23 Pickaxe. But I got a q22.
Now with a q15 branch.
2*rounded down(27 + 15)/2 = 42 . (42+27+27)/4 = q24 Pickaxe. But I got a q23.
Unless the Anvils formula isnt average qCast, then I dont get it.
And it doesnt seem to be a snowball effect from roundings. According to my math, my qCast are more like q27.6~
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daemmonium
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Pickaxe Q
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Re: Pickaxe Q
formula is wrong, obviously. see if you can use your collected data to fix it.
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Re: Pickaxe Q
I have never experimented with pickaxe q but considering how most smithing recipes work i'd say (2*iron+branch)/3 softcapped by anvil and hammer q seems quite possible. Plus it fits your results 
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Re: Pickaxe Q
the first formula is true, it's more likely you misjudge the q of your anvil.
or at least the formula was true in the old world.
just test a completely different hammer above q 23 and see if it does anything other then softcap.
or at least the formula was true in the old world.
just test a completely different hammer above q 23 and see if it does anything other then softcap.
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daemmonium
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Re: Pickaxe Q
It seems to be this way sir. It fits both of my last tries, and my previous one.zen_soup wrote:I have never experimented with pickaxe q but considering how most smithing recipes work i'd say (2*iron+branch)/3 softcapped by anvil and hammer q seems quite possible. Plus it fits your results
Do you want see right through the devil's eyes?
You must have seen the ground where they all stood before
I was a young man then, I was a young man then
Spending my time on the killing floor
Be more than you seem to be
Joy of labour sets you free.
You must have seen the ground where they all stood before
I was a young man then, I was a young man then
Spending my time on the killing floor
Be more than you seem to be
Joy of labour sets you free.
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Re: Pickaxe Q
Formula wiki is wrong.. q Pickaxe = (avg. q metal + q branch + q Anvil + q Smithy's Hammer)/4 ) (wrong)
Formula mentioned in this thread also doesnt fit my data : (2*iron+branch)/3 softcapped by anvil and hammer q (wrong)
trying to figure out right formula
some data of mine
Q22 iron (4xsame Q) Q10 wood Q43 anvil Q35 hammer : 25q pickaxe
Q26 iron (4xsame Q) Q20 wood Q43 anvil Q35 hammer : 30Q Pickaxe
Q26 iron (4xsame Q) Q20 wood Q43 anvil Q43 hammer : 31Q Pickaxe
Q32 iron (4xsame Q) Q36 wood Q43 anvil Q43 hammer : 37Q Pickaxe
Q44 iron (4xsame Q) Q36 wood Q43 anvil Q43 hammer : 40Q Pickaxe
Formula mentioned in this thread also doesnt fit my data : (2*iron+branch)/3 softcapped by anvil and hammer q (wrong)
trying to figure out right formula
some data of mine
Q22 iron (4xsame Q) Q10 wood Q43 anvil Q35 hammer : 25q pickaxe
Q26 iron (4xsame Q) Q20 wood Q43 anvil Q35 hammer : 30Q Pickaxe
Q26 iron (4xsame Q) Q20 wood Q43 anvil Q43 hammer : 31Q Pickaxe
Q32 iron (4xsame Q) Q36 wood Q43 anvil Q43 hammer : 37Q Pickaxe
Q44 iron (4xsame Q) Q36 wood Q43 anvil Q43 hammer : 40Q Pickaxe
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Re: Pickaxe Q
Better than creating a new thread.Hecarim wrote:This thread is 2 years old
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Arcanist
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Re: Pickaxe Q


So... ( 3((3*iron + branch)/4) + ((anvil+hammer)/2) ) / 4
Q22 iron (4xsame Q) Q10 wood Q43 anvil Q35 hammer : 25q pickaxe
Q26 iron (4xsame Q) Q20 wood Q43 anvil Q35 hammer : 30Q Pickaxe
Q26 iron (4xsame Q) Q20 wood Q43 anvil Q43 hammer : 31Q Pickaxe
Q32 iron (4xsame Q) Q36 wood Q43 anvil Q43 hammer : 37Q Pickaxe
Q44 iron (4xsame Q) Q36 wood Q43 anvil Q43 hammer : 40Q Pickaxe
( 3 ((3*22 + 10)/4) + ((43+35)/2) ) / 4 =
( 3 (19) + 39 ) /4 = 24
( 3 ((3*26 + 20)/4 + 39 ) /4 =
( 3 (24.5) + 39) / 4 = 28.125
Alright... Lets try 2*iron + branch / 3
( 3 ((2*22 + 10)/3) + ((43+35)/2) ) / 4 =
( 3 (18) + 39 ) /4 = 23.25
( 3 ((2*26 + 20)/3) + 39 ) /4 =
( 3 (24) + 39) / 4 = 27.25
Alright, Let's go the other way... 4*iron + branch /5
( 3 ((4*22 + 10)/5) + ((43+35)/2) ) / 4 =
( 3 (19.6) + 39 ) /4 = 24.45
( 3 ((4*26 + 20)/5) + 39 ) /4 =
( 3 (24.8) + 39) / 4 = 28.35
5*iron + branch / 6
( 3 ((5*22 + 10)/6) + ((43+35)/2) ) / 4 =
( 3 (20) + 39 ) /4 = 24.75
( 3 ((5*26 + 20)/6) + 39 ) /4 =
( 3 (25) + 39) / 4 = 28.5
FFFUUUUUU
9*iron + branch / 10
( 3 ((9*22 + 10)/10) + ((43+35)/2) ) / 4 =
( 3 (20.8) + 39 ) /4 = 25.35
( 3 ((9*26 + 20)/10) + 39 ) /4 =
( 3 (25.4) + 39) / 4 = 28.8
So it's weighted VERY heavily on the metal q
If someone can do some tests with low q metal, high q branch
And high q metal, low q branch, that would be very helpful for figuring out the exact formula
EDIT:
I just saw this:
So the anvil and hammer matter more than I thought.Quality for all full metal products are calculated with the formula: quality = (qMetal*4 + qAnvil*1.5 +qHammer*1.5)/7
It might be someing like
( 4((3*cast + branch)/4) + 1.5*anvil + 1.5*hammer) / 7
Let's try one more...
Q22 iron (4xsame Q) Q10 wood Q43 anvil Q35 hammer : 25q pickaxe
Q26 iron (4xsame Q) Q20 wood Q43 anvil Q35 hammer : 30Q Pickaxe
(4((3*22 + 10) / 4) + 1.5 * 43 + 1.5 * 35 ) / 7
(4(19) + 64.5 + 52.5) / 7 = 27.57
(4((3*26 + 20) / 4) + 1.5 * 43 + 1.5 * 35 ) / 7
(4(24.5) + 64.5 + 52.5) / 7 = 30.7
Close but no cigar.
Please more tests with a large difference between wood q and metal q
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Hecarim
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Re: Pickaxe Q
I guessNOOBY93 wrote:Better than creating a new thread.Hecarim wrote:This thread is 2 years old
I think there is something wrong with the information. Are you sure it is 100% accurate?Kortak wrote: some data of mine
Q22 iron (4xsame Q) Q10 wood Q43 anvil Q35 hammer : 25q pickaxe
Q26 iron (4xsame Q) Q20 wood Q43 anvil Q35 hammer : 30Q Pickaxe
Q26 iron (4xsame Q) Q20 wood Q43 anvil Q43 hammer : 31Q Pickaxe
Q32 iron (4xsame Q) Q36 wood Q43 anvil Q43 hammer : 37Q Pickaxe
Q44 iron (4xsame Q) Q36 wood Q43 anvil Q43 hammer : 40Q Pickaxe
I tried doing q iron + q wood + (q anvil + hammer /2) /3, but the numbers are slightly off..
Ugh, I'm not good at this.
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