smelting anvil

[Granger]

i don't see how that makes sense, granger. if a number is halved, how does it raise?

Example:
Have object with at least two different materials. Put in one with easy obtainable high quality, (200) the other with hard to raise low quality (10). Result quality is 105. Then deconstruct to get q 52 of other type.

I'm extremely confident that it would not take long to identify buildables that could be abused for such transformations, should only the resulting quality of the whole object be used to determine quality of returned items.

[Vigilance]

but if its a generic that you get from breaking such structures (ie: tarnished) and you use 4 bronze bars and 1 iron bar of q400 (complete BS numbers) and you break it to get tarnished metals back, you don't benefit from getting enhanced bronze?

one of us must be understanding this wrong

[sabinati]

if there was some generic "scrap metal" and "scrap hard metal" items that could be used only for generic "common metal" and "hard metal" requirements I don't see how there could be any exploit to that. you could probably do it for precious metals as well, e.g. melt down some rings back into nuggets, but meh. scrapping should really only apply to metal items and should only yield metal.

[Vigilance]

melting down gold and silver rings should absolutely be a feature, especially now that we have pebbles as a sub division of nuggets (only for gold though, pls change)

[Granger]

but if its a generic that you get from breaking such structures (ie: tarnished) and you use 4 bronze bars and 1 iron bar of q400 (complete BS numbers) and you break it to get tarnished metals back, you don't benefit from getting enhanced bronze?

one of us must be understanding this wrong

My comment was on the post from endiron, i understood it to not only affect metal.

In that context: as long as you are able to create new stuff that has a quality from materials gained through deconstruction, my point stands - the game has to track quality per material type or it will be exploited.

[endiron]

i don't see how that makes sense, granger. if a number is halved, how does it raise?

Example:
Have object with at least two different materials. Put in one with easy obtainable high quality, (200) the other with hard to raise low quality (10). Result quality is 105. Then deconstruct to get q 52 of other type.

I'm extremely confident that it would not take long to identify buildables that could be abused for such transformations, should only the resulting quality of the whole object be used to determine quality of returned items.

Very fair point Granger, hadn't considered that extreme of an example, but given how quality can go up in lategame, this is viable.

Maybe save the average of specific input type qualities, it's less complexity & saving individual qualities (like in a Hall or something with hundreds of inputs & qualities).

This would mean that instead of hundreds of qualities being saved you would just have something like

(cabin for example)

Block Input Average = 18
Plank Input Average = 12
Bough Input Average = 10

Would result in Battered Blocks of q 9, Planks of q 6, and Boughs of q 5, instead of the average bumping up Bough quality for example.

[BlackKopcap]

Not only anvil, but any metal instrument must be able to refine. cause old instruments fucking waste of free place in cupboard, and absolutly useless.