On Characters: Credos and learning system

[Bigfish]

No, thanks.

Then give me at least some reasons

[Potjeh]

It seems to me like it's just restrictions for restrictions' sake, and doesn't have much of a practical purpose. Yeah, you said that it's to avoid overwhelming newbies, but you're the first guy I see complaining about that.

[Chakravanti]

Sewer:

Stop making up your own definitions. Thats not what the word fucking means.

Well you can CALL it whatever the fuck you like. Fact remains, you choose between mooner and PvP when you develop your character.

[Chakravanti]

No, thanks.

Then give me at least some reasons

The only places classes of any kind have to be added to the system is to create specific types of toons and restrict their development so that they may achieve one thing well while being prevented from doing another. SPecifically in combat roles.

[Bigfish]

I ll swap it around a bit. Looks closer to the old system.

Skill tree
You start the game with following skills: Wilderness Survival, Primitive tools, Fishing, Unarmed Combat and Trespassing.

General skills:
When you have any skill

• - above level 5 you may learn Hearth magic
  - above level 15-20 you may learn Yeomanry, Carthography and Ancestral Worship.
  - above level 30 you may learn Ranging
  - above level 50-70 you are an experianced individual and may learn Lawspeaking

Skill name: [skill level](learnable skills for free or at a specific level in that interval)

Farming:

• apprentice[5-15] [5]Foraging , [7] Plant Lore, [10]Farming
  expert[15-50] Candlemaking, Animal Husbandry
  master[>50] Beermaking

Smithing:

• apprentice[5-15] Stone working, Pottery
  expert[15-50] Mining, Metal Working , Prospecting
  master[>50] Steelmaking

Carpentry:

• apprentice [5-15] Lumberjacking
  expert[15-50] Wheelmaking, Basic Mechanics, Locks and Bolts
  master[>50] Masonry

Cooking:

• apprentice [5-15] baking(only bread, apple pie and honeybun)
  expert[15-50] Bee keeping, Wine making, Sweatmeats (you can craft any bakeable good).
  master[>50] Sausage making

Sewing:

• apprentice [5-15] Cloth making, First Aid
  expert[15-50] Leather Working
  master[>50] Sericulture

Stealth:

• apprentice [5-15] pickpocketing, theft
  expert[15-50] "Hide in the shadows"
  master[>50] maybe some kind of assassination attack, Murder

Marksmanship:

• apprentice [5-15] Hunting
  expert[15-50] Archery, Stormchasing
  master[>50] Murder

Unarmed Combat:

• apprentice [5-15] Unarmed combat
  expert[15-50] Brawling
  master[>50] Soldier Training (with another name instead)

Meele:

• apprentice [5-15] Militia Training
  expert[15-50] Swordsmanship
  master[>50] Valor, Vandalism, Murder

[Potjeh]

Why? I like the current system better.

The only places classes of any kind have to be added to the system is to create specific types of toons and restrict their development so that they may achieve one thing well while being prevented from doing another. SPecifically in combat roles.

No, thanks on this as well. Why the hell must every RPG have classes? They're a lame concept. Custom builds are a lot better than hardcoded classes IMHO.

[Bigfish]

Why? I like the current system better.

Because the XP system i described above doesnt give XP to buy those skills. You earn them when you work in that direction.

[Potjeh]

Oh, I didn't fully read the OP. Now I see it's yet another one of those "only raise farming by doing farming" systems, and the general consensus is that we don't want those.

BTW, you do know that the whole LP thing is getting scrapped, and replaced with some kind of a quest-based system?

[Chakravanti]

Dude why do you even bother? LP is going to be scrapped anyway. Stop wasting your time.

[Bigfish]

No, thanks on this as well. Why the hell must every RPG have classes? They're a lame concept. Custom builds are a lot better than hardcoded classes IMHO.

Maybe thats because in the real worlds thats exactly what happened. Though i dont like concept of being solely pressed in one role without any freedom instead there should be the freedom to develop the character into several professions at the same time. But on the other hand there need to be certain restrictions like its now with farming / mining and should be for archery and meele combat ( if that wasnt broken).